Editing Talk:Collective Shout (section)

==Final argument, regardless of outcome==

@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]]
 
:The term anti-consumer should be reserved for practices that prioritize profit or control over consumer rights without ethical justification. Collective Shout's advocacy, while controversial, is rooted in preventing harm rather than suppressing choice for financial gain. Labeling them as anti-consumer overlooks their motivations and conflates them with corporations whose actions are objectively more harmful to consumers. Their methods can be critiqued as overly broad or collaterally damaging, but not inherently anti-consumer in the same way as corporate practices.
[[User:DzLamme|DzLD]] ([[User talk:DzLamme|talk]]) 08:22, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

:I have discussed this with @[[User:Keith|Keith]] and we have agreed that the Collective Shout article is relevant to the wiki for a few reasons:
:#All of Itch.io's NSFW tagged games were deindexed as a result of Collective Shout's actions [https://itch.io/updates/update-on-nsfw-content]
:#Said games did not violate Steam and Itch.io's terms prior to the incident
:#Like @[[User:Lowspeedguy|Lowspeedguy]] mentioned before, their campaign against GTA V [https://www.collectiveshout.org/win_target_and_kmart_remove_r18_game_from_stores] was heavily misguided (as killing women isn't required in the storyline or to progress in the game).
:#The wider impact this incident can have on consumer's rights in the future.
:We appreciate your bringing this up in the talk page, as not many users wish to share their opinions on existing articles. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 16:03, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
::I think part of the issue here is that, if we took such a definition of anti-consumer, there could be a lot of very conusmer-relevant things that we may not end up talking about, despite them being very relevant/important. I do think that this article has grown beyond where it needs to be, and might need to be pared back however. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:13, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
:::I may have misunderstood your point @[[User:DzLamme|DzLamme]] (thinking that you were arguing for the article's non-inclusion, rather than commenting on the use of the term 'anti-consumer'). in any case, I'll replace the deletion notice with a relevancy discussion notice, as i don't think there's a good reason for the article to be deleted in short order. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:15, 8 September 2025 (UTC)